San Francisco Parents of Multiples SFPOM General Discussion 7/17/2012 9:15 am - 7/18/2012
1. Night Doula Event (ljsanfran)
2. Nanny "onboarding" (kaluzoo)
3. Comment: Best Nursing Chair (jeccat)
4. Comment: Best Nursing Chair (nodelmonkey)
5. Comment: Crib Sharing? (mamapod)
6. Comment: Crib Sharing? (jeccat)
7. Comment: Crib Sharing? (jeccat)
8. Comment: Crib Sharing? (kaluzoo)
9. Comment: Crib Sharing? (sfmama911)
10. Comment: Crib Sharing? (HollyBuchanan)
11. Comment: Crib Sharing? (nodelmonkey)
12. Comment: Spacing out feelings (sfmama911)
13. Comment: Spacing out feelings (cathytanimura)
14. Comment: Spacing out feelings (kaluzoo)
15. Comment: Short term rental desperately needed (jeccat)
16. Comment: Short term rental desperately needed (jeccat)
17. Comment: Short term rental desperately needed (marckuzak276)
1. Night Doula Event
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ljsanfran - 7/17/2012 12:27 pm
My former night Doula, Frances Weekes, who is awesome
asked me to post about this event for anyone thinking
about getting a doula:Meet the BAY AREA NIGHT DOULAS at
DAY ONE (SAN FRANCISCO)Thursday, July 26th, 6 to 7
p.m.Bay Area Night Doulas offer in-home, non-judgmental
care during the first six to twelve weeks
postpartum.GILLIAN CROKE, Bay Area Night DoulaGillian
teaches Newborn Baby and Breastfeeding classes at Day
One locations in San Francisco, Walnut Creek and Palo
Alto and is an international board certified lactation
consultant. She also provides night doula services to
families.NOREEN MCCARTHY, Bay Area Night DoulaNoreen
has provided nighttime doula services in the Bay Area
for the last ten years. Noreen will speak about some
challenges for postpartum families and how she and the
other Bay Area Night Doulas use a gentle and practical
approach to those problems.JULIANN FAHERTY, Bay Area
Night DoulaJuliann has much experience supporting
postpartum families with twins and triplets. She will
speak about her work supporting families of multiples.
TARA CAROLAN, Bay Area Night Doula Tara, an RN who
has trained at S.F. General Maternity, has spent many
years helping families with children of all ages. She
has experience in labor and delivery as well as
postpartum care. KIMBERLY WRIGHT, Bay Area Night Doula
Client and DayOne MemberKimberly is a mother of two,
DayOne member, and past client of Bay Area Night
Doulas. She will speak about her positive experiences
with the group. WWW.BAYAREANIGHTDOULAS.COM
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2. Nanny "onboarding"
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kaluzoo - 7/17/2012 11:12 am
Hello SF POM. Our nanny starts tomorrow in preparation
for me going back to work full time at the beginning of
August. I will be home with her for the first few
weeks, so plan to figure out most things in person, but
I am wondering if anyone has materials / advice /
things to avoid for the process of onboarding our nanny
(seems I should spend at least as much time on this as
I do with new employees at work, given the intimate,
hopefully multi-year relationship!). Any suggestions
would be much appreciated. My boys are three months
old, and she will be with them around
50hrs/week.Thanks! Sarah
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Topic: Best Nursing Chair
What do you recommend as far as chairs go for tandem
nursing? I just bought the "my...
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3. jeccat says...
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7/17/2012 6:37 am
I have been told that there are no gliders large enough
for tandem nursing, BUT to get a glider anyway because
they can be good for rocking/soothing a single fussy
baby and you may not end up tandem nursing every time
anyway (and like PP said not in the beginning). Our
nursery is large so I got both a small couch (this
short one from Ikea:
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S49840048/#/S79840099)
and a glider. If you want ideas for brands, I got an
very inexpensive Stork Craft glider with a gliding
ottoman from Amazon-- I think they're all crazy ugly
and I didn't want to spend a lot of money-- and I wish
I had gotten the one with the lumbar pillow, it seems
to hurt my back if it sit in in for a long time, but
then again *everything* hurts my back at 8.5 months
pregnant with twins... if you have time
time/inclination, I recommend going to Target or
Babies'r'Us to try out brands in person. Another tip:
Our lactation class recommended a mobile "nursing
station"-- they suggested a basket, but I am using a
rolling nightstand-- stocked with snacks, water,
magazines, your pump parts-- so you can nurse wherever
and have all your stuff right there. This is all
theory rather than practice-- we'll see how my set-up
works when the babies come. My C section is this
afternoon, eeek!
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4. nodelmonkey says...
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7/17/2012 1:38 pm
I echo everything Erin says re not wanting to use the
tandem pillow with a glider - couch, bed and floor have
been best for us and we're still using it at 14 months
(my double breast friend rocks!). Having a footstool
at the couch was key for me to keep good posture and
not kill my back. I also echo what Holly says that you
never know how things will go until they get here so
try not to "plan" it out too much. You will also
probably want some sort of glider/rocker for single
nursing sessions or when you have the luxury of more
than one caregiver at a time and are doing bottle
feeds. We enjoyed having two single rockers (one
glider, one rocking chair) in our nursery for a bulk of
their infancy. Funny story in that we actually just
had one single glider before they were born and the day
we brought them home from the hospital my husband
rushed out to buy the second rocker. For us, both
being able to rock them together was very nice.
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Topic: Crib Sharing?
Our twins (fraternal) are due in October and we are looking
to buy some furniture...
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5. mamapod says...
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7/17/2012 9:17 am
I think we kept our girls in the same crib until 5.5
months or so. They were tiny so didn't really get in
each others way, but it was comforting for them. We
did end up doing crib valleys that we made of towels
which worked well for us. When we did separate them,
we started with just naps and then eventually for the
night. It was hard for them at first, either because
they missed each other, or they now had so much room to
roll around and move, that they weren't used to. So,
rolling over in their sleep and separating them
coincided. Which was a bit of a surprise for them.
Hope it works out!
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6. jeccat says...
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7/17/2012 10:15 am
I have heard you should separate them when they can
roll over because they could potentially roll on top of
the other baby, which obviously is a safety hazard.
Until then every twin mom I know kept them in the same
crib-- some moms claim twins sleep better than
singletons because they have the comfort of the other
baby nearby.
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7. jeccat says...
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7/17/2012 10:18 am
ETA: We bought and assembled both cribs ahead of time
though. I figure it will have two advantages to have
two cribs even if we're only using one at a time: 1)
We'll be able to figure out the best layout for the
nursery ahead of time, and 2) If one crib is soiled in
the middle of the night (spit-up, urine, blowout etc.)
we can switch the babies to the other crib and deal
with crib cleanup the next day. Extra sleep!
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8. kaluzoo says...
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7/17/2012 11:08 am
My three month old identical boys are still in the same
crib. That said, we just got back from a week-long
trip and the GoCrib was no longer big enough for both
of them. We borrowed a pack-n-play and put the two
travel cribs next to one another. I thought they'd
mind but hey slept beautifully - through the night
almost the whole trip (better than at home!). I still
have them in one crib at home as our nursery is *so*
tiny and it's easier for me to sleep train them with
them in the same crib (holding two pacifiers in and
patting two bellies is easier when both are within
arm's reach). My boys move a ton when they sleep (we
found them with one's feet over the other's belly at
two months...still swaddled!). For safety, I put up a
makeshift breathable crib divider - made from a few
yards of football jersey material purchased on Amazon.
They can still see one another, but can no longer roll
on top of one another. Good luck!
Email author: sarahchandler@gmail.com
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9. sfmama911 says...
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7/17/2012 11:11 am
Hi - The official line from the doctors and in our case
the NICU staff was that they should be in seperate
cribs. We put them in the same crib when we came home,
they were swaddled and not moving anyway. However our
girls started rolling from stomach to back at 2 months
and even while swaddled tend to move around a lot (one
kicks her legs to move!), so we decided two cribs were
the way to go. I think you're safe to share until the
rolling starts!
Email author: krbulfer@gmail.com
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10. HollyBuchanan says...
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7/17/2012 11:43 am
The NICU told us not to put them in the same crib, but
we did anyway. They started in a very large co-sleeper
next to my bed, both of them in it lying in what we
jokingly called "the V formation" - feet together,
heads apart, so they formed a "V" shape. This lasted 8
weeks before they grew out of the co-sleeper and we
wanted to move them to the nursery. There, we had two
cribs set up, but we kept them in one crib (same way,
feet together, heads apart) for at least another 2
months. One thing to be very aware of is if they
snuggle too close face-to-face they can rebreathe each
other's air and experience a lack of oxygen. This is
why we let them touch each other for comfort, but we
kept their faces far from each other. Also, I agree
with the post that it was good to have the two cribs
set up so that when one was soiled with spit up you
could quickly switch to the other crib.
Email author: h.buch@hotmail.com
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11. nodelmonkey says...
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7/17/2012 1:45 pm
yes, ditto what practically everyone else said! Same
crib until they begin to roll over or seemingly disturb
one another's sleep. We weren't sure when they were
born how we would do it and had both cribs set up from
beginning which was nice. They've been in separate
cribs in same room since 3 or 4 months I believe and
now, it's amazing to me that generally one can wake and
be screaming her head off while the other sleeps
soundly. I attribute part of that as having them sleep
together from the beginning whenever we could. Ours
were also big swing sleepers for their naps so we had
two swings side by side in the living room for that.
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Topic: Spacing out feelings
I have twin identical girls that are 14 weeks old but were
born six weeks early. Everyone tells ...
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12. sfmama911 says...
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7/17/2012 11:07 am
Hi - I have 12 week old fraternal twins and they were
also born 6 weeks early. I too decided the schedule
way would work for us and after 8 days in the NICU
where they were just focused on growing/feeding (no
breathing probs) they were already on a good 2-3 hour
schedule. Now I feed them every 3 hours from 7am-7pm,
and then do the final feeding just before I go to bed,
so 11pm or 12am. And they usually go until about 6am
or 7am. Eventually I hope to drop the 11pm or 12am
feeding and just have them go from 7pm-7am sleeping.
Instead of spacing out the feedings, I want to instead
make sure they are awake more and eating more during
the day so as to get more sleep at night. Everyone has
different goals, this is mine :). I recently created a
schedule for them since we now have a nanny, I return
to work tomorrow :(. If you're interested in seeing the
schedule I created, feel free to email me and I can
send you some docs. Good luck! We're all still
learning...
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13. cathytanimura says...
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7/17/2012 12:18 pm
Spacing their feelings out every 2.5 to 3 hours will
(eventually) give you some rest and predictability, so
I think it's worth working towards. I've found the
eat-play-sleep routine to be helpful. That way if they
are fussy after playing I know they need to sleep, and
when they wake up fussy I know it's time to eat. If
they are napping for only a short time it may be that
they are still tired, not hungry. I've read there are
~45 minute sleep cycles, so if they sleep 45 minutes or
less, try putting them back to sleep. I've also found
that they change things up every few weeks, sometimes
needing to eat more like 2 hours apart for a couple of
days (growth spurt?) the settling back to longer
spacings. And in the evening I will resort to feeding
them after 2 hours or less to help them fall asleep.
Good luck!
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14. kaluzoo says...
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7/17/2012 12:36 pm
Hi! I have 14 week old identical boys that were born 4
weeks early. We were feeding every 3 hours when we
came home from the hospital (so on a schedule from Day
1) and moved to 4 hours at night (still 3 during the
day) around the third week (once they had both gained
good weight). We kept that schedule, but dropped one
night feeding, until a few weeks ago when some folks on
this forum recommended the "Sleep Solution" book. It
recommends every 4 hours during the day. I was so
hesitant to extend time between the feedings again but,
for our boys, it has been miraculous in terms of
transformation. They are often sleeping through the
night (sometimes 10-11 hours!), are eating *more* (even
at 4 feedings a day instead of 5, they eat
significantly more overall), and are much, much happier
and more active. Just my experience... When spacing,
I used pacifiers and a combo of carrying one in the
front carrier with the other on my hip, and madly
bouncing around the house to Michael Jackson. Yes, I'm
serious. I also used (and still use) 2oz "snack
bottles" whenever they just seem hungrier than usual
(growth spurts, heat, whatever). Bottom line is I'd
highly recommend stretching the length out a bit.
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Topic: Short term rental desperately needed
Hi,
We're moving to San Francisco from the UK in 4 weeks. The
flat we were going to rent for the...
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15. jeccat says...
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7/17/2012 6:39 am
Did you post on Golden Gate Mothers Group as well?
They have more traffic than SFPOM and I see a lot of
places for rent posting there. I'll take a peek and
see if I can pull some emails for you.
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16. jeccat says...
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7/17/2012 6:49 am
No dice unfortunately-- nothing recent. As for other
sources, my in-laws are coming for a month and they
found a 30-day rental through VRBO.com. Due to the
tenancy laws in SF it may be difficult to find an owner
who will rent to you through that site for more than 30
days, but it will do for a month in a pinch and you
will likely have an easier time finding a longer-term
rental once on the ground in SF.
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17. marckuzak276 says...
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7/17/2012 11:42 am
Thanks for looking...tried to join GGMG but can't until
I have a US credit card. Fingers crossed something
comes up soon on Craigs list. Have looked at other site
- vrbo - too though you're right it's mostly for one
month max.
Email author: gabriellekuzak@googlemail.com
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