[House] San Francisco Parents of Multiples SFPOM General Discussion forum digest - 1/1/2013

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San Francisco Parents of Multiples SFPOM General Discussion 12/31/2012
10:13 am - 1/1/2013

1. Moving one twin to Kaiser while the other is at UCSF?? (zs_mom)
2. Crying in the car seat (bhavna12)
3. Comment: Crying in the car seat (jeccat)
4. Comment: Electing to supplement (kaluzoo)
5. Comment: Electing to supplement (jeccat)
6. Comment: Electing to supplement (bhavna12)
7. Comment: Carrying twins in Moby wrap or other double ca... (elyich)
8. Comment: Carrying twins in Moby wrap or other double ca... (jeccat)
9. Comment: Carrying twins in Moby wrap or other double ca...
(kaluzoo)
10. Comment: One baby reverting back to old sleep schedule (bhavna12)
11. Comment: Traveling at 7 months? (elyich)
12. Comment: Traveling at 7 months? (kaluzoo)

1. Moving one twin to Kaiser while the other is at UCSF??
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zs_mom - 12/31/2012 9:05 pm

 Happy New Year to you all! I posted around 2 weeks ago
 about balancing time between time at the NICU and home
 with newborn preemie twins in the NICU and a 2.5 yo at
 home. Now we have another issue that has come up. We
 are Kaiser patients that are being treated at UCSF
 because my son has a heart problem, in addition to a TE
 Fistula. Kaiser called today to let us know that Malia
 (twin A) would be transferred TODAY to Kaiser, since
 her doctor said she was stable enough to be moved, but
 Kai (twin B) would remain at UCSF because he is less
 stable and facing 2 surgeries, in the coming months,
 that Kaiser sent us to UCSF to be cared for. Because
 Malia's only issue is that she is a preemie, Kaiser
 wants her to be cared for there for insurance purposes.
 (hope I am making sense - I am functioning off very
 little sleep and have had a very upsetting day) 
 Anyway, so after about 20 phone calls and my husband
 finally getting through to a supervisor at Kaiser, the
 move has been put on hold. Not cancelled, but put on
 hold. Wednesday morning we are supposed to have a
 conference call to discuss this further. Any advice
 about what to say? Anyone deal with this before? The
 twins are still just 33 weeks, so I have started
 non-nutritive BFing with Malia and I need to be with
 her every three hours during the day to continue to
 work on that. I am healing from a c-section and still
 not supposed to be driving, according to my doctor, so
 how am I supposed to get myself from hospital to
 hospital for the next few weeks? How can I be there to
 BF Malia and bond with her and also at UCSF to advocate
 for Kai, talk to his doctors, ask questions and bond
 with him too? Plus be there for my 2.5 yo at home?? 
 Malia has anywhere from 2-4 more weeks in the NICU and
 Kai has a few months. The situation is just really
 upsetting to me and I feel let down by a medical
 provider that I trusted with my well being and that of
 my children too. I have called and emailed everyone I
 can think of to help advocate for us - am I missing
 something that I should be doing? Any advice would be
 greatly appreciated.

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2. Crying in the car seat
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bhavna12 - 12/31/2012 8:17 pm

 Twins are now 16 weeks old, and one does not want to
 sit in the car seat. Has anyone experienced this? Any
 tips on getting him to be somewhat happy while in the
 carseat? We've tried a pacifier, his favorite light up
 noisy toy, and strolling him. (Side note, we think he's
 teething now)...Any tips welcome!

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Email author: bhavna at gmail.com
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 3. jeccat says...
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 12/31/2012 9:26 pm
 
 Nope, one of mine hates the car seat too. Not all
 babies love them. We had been using an infant insert
 and taking it out seemed to help a little, but he still
 cries.
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Topic: Electing to supplement

 Hi all,
 wondering about your experiences with switching to partial
 formula. The boys...

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 4. kaluzoo says...
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 12/31/2012 9:20 am
 
 Just as reassurance: I was not able to breastfeed at
 all (breast cancer adventure = bilateral mastectomy). 
 My babies have thus been 100% formula fed from the
 beginning. They are now eight months old and happy,
 healthy, and growing like weeds. Certainly breast is
 best. But, there are many ways to happy, healthy
 babies and formula is far from the worst thing you can
 give your child. I wish so badly that I could have
 breast fed, but I will admit that I get more sleep and
 have more freedom than the breastfeeding women I know. 
 Find your balance - what works best for you (in your
 calm, steady state - not at the moment where you've had
 enough :) ) is likely similar to what works best for
 your babies, in my opinion.
 Email author: sarahchandler at gmail.com
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 5. jeccat says...
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 12/31/2012 10:49 am
 
 I ABSOLUTELY think you should supplement if that's what
 you want to do. Formula will not hurt your babies and
 they're getting plenty of good stuff from partial
 BFing. I do want to say however that at ten weeks I
 felt desperate, trapped in the house, and decidedly
 unhappy with breastfeeding due to the never ending
 demand. What fixed it for me was putting my babies on a
 schedule. They eat at 7 am, 10 am, 1 pm, 4 pm, and 6:30
 pm before bed, then a 10:30 pm dream feed. (When they
 were little they also ate at 1 am and 4am.) That really
 helped me because I knew when I could leave them and
 for how long. I also started skipping feeds and leaving
 either formula or pumped breast milk so someone else
 could feed them, then pumping when I was out or when I
 got home. I know schedules are not necessarily popular
 for singletons-- I have twins so I have an "excuse"
 :-)-- but it TOTALLY saved breastfeeding for me.
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 6. bhavna12 says...
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 12/31/2012 8:28 pm
 
 I also have been supplementing from the very beginning
 due to not enough milk supply. I still do a mix of
 breast feeding, pumping, and formula. You have to do
 what's right for you. If you're happy, your babies will
 be happy. Try a schedule as mentioned above. We have
 been doing that, but on average of 3-3.5 hour feeds
 everyday. We don't have a set time everyday (yet) but I
 have an idea the day of when they will need to feed
 next so I can step out as needed and be back if I
 decide to feed or give all bottle.
 Email author: bhavna at gmail.com
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Topic: Carrying twins in Moby wrap or other double carrier

 Hi! Curious as to what people think about carrying twins on
 your front in a Moby wrap or other d...

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 7. elyich says...
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 12/31/2012 6:34 am
 
 Hi Jody- I did use a moby to carry my twins at the same
 time when they were really young (1-2 mo). I found it
 so so secure (i still supported their bottoms and ony
 arm across their backs) and really only used it for
 short distances (to walk outside to get mail, etc.
 after that, they just got so big and heavy the moby
 seemed to squish them so I stopped using it to carry
 both babies. Hope that helps...
 Email author: elyich at yahoo.com
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 8. jeccat says...
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 12/31/2012 7:33 am
 
 I posted EXACTLY this question a few months ago. Search
 "wear twin infants" and maybe you can find it.I tried
 the moby for my twins several times and just got a
 bunch of screaming. I ended up wearing one twin and
 pushing one in the stroller. When I got desperate (like
 between the hours of 4 pm and 7 pm, aka the witching
 hour) I would sometimes wear one in the Bjorn Miracle
 and put the other one on my hip while I was dancing
 around trying to soothe them. I never tried any of the
 purpose-designed twin carriers and would almost
 certainly find 35 lbs of baby too much now, but I have
 heard some moms use double hip slings to carry their
 babies once they can sit up. Mine are 5 months and not
 quite there yet.
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 9. kaluzoo says...
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 12/31/2012 9:16 am
 
 Ditto Jeccat (which seems to be a theme, of late!) on
 the dual screaming in the dual Moby wrap hold. I did
 often wear one in the Moby, and hold one on my hip
 around the house to get them to sleep.To go out when I
 need hands free, I use the double stroller a ton but if
 I want to go in crowded stores, I do one in the Beco
 carrier and one in a single stroller. And then, for
 the ever-important morning coffee run while walking
 dog: when they were little I wore two Beco carriers -
 one on each hip. Worked great and both babies had fun
 (so did Mom as I had two hands free for dog +
 coffee!).Now, I quite often wear both in the Beco - one
 on front, one on back (too heavy for two hip carries)
 and/or my husband wears one and I wear the other.
 Email author: sarahchandler at gmail.com
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Topic: One baby reverting back to old sleep schedule

 Our twins are 15 weeks and started sleeping from about
 10-7ish a few weeks ago. The...

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 10. bhavna12 says...
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 12/31/2012 8:04 pm
 
 Thanks for your responses!She stopped after a week, but
 now she wakes about an hr earlier than the other,
 better than middle of the night. ;)They are 11 and 12
 lbs now. Is that good weight for 15 weeks?
 Email author: bhavna at gmail.com
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Topic: Traveling at 7 months?

 Hi! I'm considering a trip to Kansas in may- the boys will
 be 7 months then. I would...

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 11. elyich says...
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 12/31/2012 6:42 am
 
 Hi Megan, we actually just got back from traveling with
 our 7mo old to Texas as lap kids With my husband with
 me, it was doable but still very stressful at times.
 Some things to think about are:(1) there's a lot of
 gear. Who is going to help you in and out of the seats
 (you aren't always guaranteed a flight attendant that
 will be super nice and helpful. (2) do they both take
 pacifiers well? If not how do you feed both on take off
 and landing so their ears are ok (ours weren't taking
 pacifiers anymore so we had to feed them) (3) who's
 going to watch them if you have to go to the bathroom?
 Hope that helps. More power to you if you can pull this
 off :)After our experience, I would be so afraid!Good
 luck,Elaine
 Email author: elyich at yahoo.com
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 12. kaluzoo says...
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 12/31/2012 8:47 am
 
 Hi Megan,We've traveled via air three times with our
 now eight-month-old twins - twice cross country to
 visit family back east, and once to Brazil. I've never
 attempted alone, but did consider it once.My thoughts:-
 This will be really hard. If you are OK with that,
 it's probably also doable- I'd say no connections -
 direct flights only if you are alone!- Think through
 every logistical challenge in advance (i.e. what's the
 easiest way to get through security? When hubby and I
 are together, security is easiest with me babywearing
 both babies and dealing with the "liquids" for bottles,
 etc. so he can be the baggage handler - I'd guess solo
 would be easiest with one baby being worn and one his
 carseat attached to a stroller as you'll need to bring
 one carseat on the plane anyway if you are traveling
 alone - you are right about needing to buy one seat -
 they only allow one lap infant per adult). Our
 experience is that getting stroller + carseat through
 security stinks - after the checkpoint, things are much
 easier - Pack up everything after every step (i.e. make
 a bottle, pack up the bottle prep stuff immediately
 even if it means some minor howling from a baby or two
 while they wait an extra minute). Otherwise you risk
 leaving 10 things you really needed behind because one
 of the kids was throwing a fit and you got flustered-
 Standard travel with infants advice: bring some new
 toys that are interesting, pacifiers are super helpful,
 feed or use pacis during takeoff and landing to help
 the ears, pack a ton of wipes, change of shirt for you,
 and change of outfit for both babies- I also use
 pacifier wipes when we travel, and I use toy/paci
 tethers for everything - bottles, toys, pacis, etc. 
 You can just attach all that stuff to the carseat or
 carrier and prevent many struggles to find and clean
 dropped toys- Feel free to email me if you want more
 advice - we generally really enjoy traveling with our
 twins at this age- If you make the trip, and survive
 unscathed, please post your advice here! Would love to
 hear tips on solo travel with two infants
 Email author: sarahchandler at gmail.com
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